Hi Rob – There are many probiotics on the market and it is all about finding what will work for you. The one we suggest can be found here: http://microbiomeexperts.com/?ref=11

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HI Lara – straining often removes the liquid on top which is the whey protein. (this is what they do to greek yogurt to make it thicker).. I don’t have any research that shows the straining process is removing the probiotics:)

HI Lara – straining often removes the liquid on top which is the whey protein. (this is what they do to greek yogurt to make it thicker).. I don’t have any research that shows the straining process is removing the probiotics:)

Love your site. Used it to start my healing journey before hooking up w my naturopath.

I just went to a farmers market and noticed someone selling goat milk yogurt- which i have made w raw goat milk many time, the scd way. The vendor said her yogurt was runny because to strain it in order to make it thicker would remove the probiotics. I dont’t believe her as I found nothing in a quick internet search that suggests removing the whey removes probiotics. Any evidence to back up either of our theories? I have read removing the whey removes some of the sugars, carbs, and calcium.

Thanks!

Lara

Thanks for sharing, Carola and we’re happy to help!

HI Mary, we’d recommend a soil based probiotic like Prescript Assist and you can find it here: http://www.magneticclay.com/store/prescript-assist-probiotic.aspx

Also, here is a great article that will help you understand the world of probiotics: https://healthygut.com/scd-probiotics-what-you-really-need-to-know/

I’ve been healing through diet (scd, low fodmap, etc) for over a year now. I haven’t taken any probiotics (except for eating sauerkraut) for ten months after learning that I had a SIBO issue. Now I’m very scared about re-introducing any probiotics but I think it could be a missing piece for me. Yogurt isn’t an option for me right now. My naturopath recommends Apex Sibiotica and it’s apparently specially formulated for SIBO however I’m confused because it contains lactobacillus caei, bifidobacterium breve and lactobacillus plantarum and these are not what’s recommended here. I see this post is from 2011…. I’m wondering if you have any new/updated information on probiotics for SIBO/ibs-d?

HI Jolene, thanks for reaching out. There is a time and place for prebiotics. For example, they can exacerbate certain things like SIBO or a FODMAP intolerance. You can test out a small amount of prebiotics (garlic, onion, banana) and see how you do. MOre research is needed to on the topic of how prebiotics affect symptoms, but it is clear that they increase our beneficial bacteria.

Lisa, I have been reading post and came across yours. I also have the same thing happen 🙁 But, what I have found out is that my liver becomes toxic and as long as I keep my liver flushed with dandelion tea or milk thistle drops or drops with milk thistle, dandelion and artichoke, the panic attacks stop within 10 minutes. I now have been able to catch them coming on. I am not on probiotics as I am still detoxifying. And they did make everything worse but I think these attacks have more to do with our livers. I am currently looking for a doctor who can tell me if there is more going on with my liver but I do think I am just very toxic and it is going to take sometime to clear this out…..

Lisa, I have the exact same issue!!! I also have gastritis. Did you ever figure out why they cause the burning and have found any probiotics that don’t cause burning?

It sounds like you’re having a negative reaction to this probiotic.

Steve and Jordan recommend you spend about 30 days focusing on the diet before introducing probiotics. This gives your gut some time to heal before introducing new strains – if your gut is really in bad shape (you’re a Tough Case) you might not be ready for probiotics just yet.

You can start addressing your diet using this free guide: https://healthygut.com/scd-quick-start-guide/

So recently I started now acidophilus and I tried pearls also. They are all acidophilus bifidous strains and I got the most disgusting taste ever in my mouth. I thought maybe it was the rebalancing of bacteria but it’s so bad I am going to have to stop taking it and I don’t know that it’s working that well anyway. I upped my dose last night and woke up with tons of canker sores in my mouth, the skin behind my ears is raw and the post nasal drip I always have is significantly worse. The taste in my mouth is like I licked toxic waste. I actually woke up and had to brush my teeth and scrape my tongue numerous times during the night.

How do I know what to take and what my body is missing. I overdid hydrocolon therapy and laxatives due to being unable to move my bowels and antibiotics I believe are what messed me up for go. I’ve done tons of candida cleanses and parasite cleanses etc to no avail. Recent tests say I’m clear of all that which surprised me but I really think I need good bacteria. But I have no way of knowing what kind. I’ve heard of probiotics helping breath but mine is now so bad there is no way I can continue another day. I’ve tried about ten kinds now with mixed results but none the results I wanted.

Hi Helene- It isn’t a bad idea to take two probiotics simultaneously. Steve and Jordan recommend one soil based probiotic like this one (http://amzn.to/1fi2vm0) and one non-soil based probiotic, like acidophilus.

I hope this helps!

Hey Sue, thanks so much for reaching out to us 🙂

We recommend you watch this video for more information on probiotics: https://healthygut.com/2012/11/probiotics-for-inflammation-when-things-go-wrong-and-what-to-do-long-term/

Every person is unique and has a unique mix of bacteria in their gut – so everyone reacts differently to probiotics. Not everyone does well on the same strain.

Based on what you’ve written, I think you would gain a lot by registering for one of free webinars on how to heal intestinal permeability (leaky gut) – at the webinars we address a ton of issues like SIBO, autoimmune disease, infectious diseases like Lyme, food triggers for leaky gut, and tons more. Here’s a link where you can register for the free event and learn more: http://solvingleakygut.com/webinar/live/

I hope this information helps, Sue!

i also get terrible diarrhea with VSL3. my doctor told me to take it but I could not tolerate it at all. i have been ill a very long time, with CFS/Lyme and have IBS and SIBO.

i wonder why some are helped by VSL3 and some get worse?

incidentally, i also get diarrhea with other very powerful probiotics such as ultimate flora.

Hey Eve, its great to supplement your probiotics with fermented foods. However, we don’t recommend introducing fermented foods when you’re experiencing a flare-up. We suggest you wait until your symptoms have stabilized and you’ve experienced some improvement to introduce fermented foods like yogurt or sauerkraut – usually between 2-4 weeks into the diet. Then we recommend introducing sauerkraut very slowly to see how your body responds. I hope that helps Eve 🙂

Hi Lisa, probiotics can be tricky to figure out and we suggest reading more here: https://healthygut.com/scd-probiotics-what-you-really-need-to-know/

Hi Sally, thanks for reaching out. We recommend looking here, as these practitioners work via telephone or skype: https://healthygut.com/practitioners/

Hi
I would love recommendations for a functional medicine practitioner in the Uk. I can’t find any!
Sally

Lee,
I think it’s really important that you get tested, and also if you can purchase the Clean Gut book by Dr Alejandro Junger, who is a Medical Doctor practising Functional Medicine, it will open your eyes.

There are few functional medicine practitioners in the UK but if you’d like recommendations, I would be happy to help as I know a few and they are helping me tremendously after 5 years of seeing various Gastroenterologists and nutritional therapists and being diagnosed with candidiasis… my FMP has identified the root cause through very specific tests as Leaky Gut, and I’m now finally on my way to recovery.

I was initially on VSL #3 for years along with Udo’s Digestive enzymes, Biocare’s Oregano complex, and another EcoBalance supplement…

I definitely improved but the committment recommended by the nutritionists of sticking to the anti-candida diet for over 3 months alongside all these supplements proved to be too much, and I failed every time.

Find yourself a Functional Medicine Practitioner, get tested and then get on the right treatment protocol (I’m now on an anti-inflammatory diet plus BioDoph 7, saccharomyces boulardii, interenzyme, betaine HP plus, and wholly immune which you can order online from http://www.nutri-linkltd.co.uk/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=Wholly+immune).

I know how frustrating (exhausting and depressing) this search for healing and relief can be.

I wish you much luck.

Hi, thanks for reaching out! Please email us at support@scdlifestyle.com and we will be happy to assist you.

Dear Steven and Jordan, does any of you have research papers that support your statement about bifido overgrowth activity? As far as I know, your website and Breaking the Vicious Cycle website are the only one suggesting potential downfall of consuming bifido strains. I would sincerely appreciate your response.

I agree with your comment Kelly. The more I’m reading about acidophilus the more I read that people say it is a lactic acid-producing bacteria and not to take it, especially for those like me who have CFS/fibromyalgia.

I know your comment is from a while back Kelly but do you have any references to your comment on FODMAPs and Bifidus clearing this up? I’m fascinated by the possibility of this as I’m beginning to think I have FODMAP issues.

Hi Lisa, thanks for reaching out! The probiotic we recommend can be found here: http://www.magneticclay.com/304.html Also, you may have an underlying condition going on and it would be a good idea for you to see a trusted practitioner if you are unable to improve with diet and supplements. You can search for one here: https://healthygut.com/practitioners/

This is me! I have been on probiotics for a decade now… and have had horrible racing thoughts and irrational fears the entire time. A lightbulb went off that I was acne free and more mentally stable (just constipated with stomach pain) prior to the probiotics. Well – I finally took a week off of them and instantly regained clarity. The only catch 22 is the pain returned with the constipation and my dust allergies came back. So after a week I said screw it and went back on. The racing thoughts are horrible though. How on earth can I do this? I’ve tried all sorts of did probiorics allergen free, l-glutamine, stomach acid tablets etc. Maybe there is something else going on but I’ve done hummaworm and strict candida cleanses! Maybe TRG treating leaky gut again :/

Hi Naima, thank you for reaching out! The yogurt provides powerful inoculation of healthy bacteria to your gut, which is necessary for the gut to heal. For those that can not tolerate cow dairy, you can try goat yogurt. And certainly, if you can not tolerate that, don’t consume that either right away. If you try either of the yogurts and can’t tolerate them, you can always try later as the gut has had more time to heal.

When I saw you ate paleo — I can tell you it is paleo which gave me ulcerative colitis. I was juicing veggies galore — eating almond everything. Salicylate intolerance is one of the core issues I have now discovered. My UC is gone by eliminating them everywhere I can find them. My GI doc said she would call me in remission for now — so I don’t have to be on the Lialda — which made me so sick. Why? It is a salicylate!!!!

For anyone wanting probiotics in the UK, it seems as though metabolics.com do suitable ones. I am not connected to or affiliated to them in any way, but just a customer of theirs.

I think that Elaine Gottschall (author of the SCD book Breaking the Vicious Cycle) recommended starting with L.Acidophilus & I think that is probably because at the time it was the most researched & safest probiotic around. L. Acidophilus is about as community-minded a bacterial strain as you will find.

Also, I have just found this:-

“Elaine spent a year doing library research on probiotics and realised that the whole area is very iffy. The one conclusion that she came out with is: “That Lactobacillus acidophilus had been shown to be very helpful for many schizophrenics, bowel patients, etc. over a period of 100 years.”

However, a report was published in the New England Journal of Medicine by a gastroenterologist that stated that one doctor found that all his Crohn’s patients had an OVERGROWTH of Lactobacillus acidophilus which he felt was contributing to the disease. Unfortunately this found its way into the reference books that pharmacies use.

Elaine feels that we should keep our probiotic ingestion to a minimum and get helpful bacteria from our SCD yoghurt and so displace the harmful bacteria.”

Taken from http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/detail/probiotics/

I’m also in the U.K and looking for suitable probiotics, and as I am trying to rid myself of candida too, was recommended Healthy Origins 30 Billion CFU. Is this ok? Any advise would be welcome!

Lee.

Do you have an opinion for Soil Based Probiotics? I have been taking various different probiotics for a few months now, without noticing much of a difference. Including home made Kefir, and Saurkraut. I still have burps after eating most food types, and occasional bloating though.

I’ve read that SBO’s are better for the gut than Lactose based, what are your thoughts?

Thanks for a great, and informative website.

I would also like to know the answer to this poster’s question. I just read Steve’s podcast with Chris Kresser (http://chriskresser.com/treating-sibo-cold-thermogenisis-and-when-to-take-probiotics) (search D-lactate) where Chris says specifically to NOT take L.Acidophilus if you have SIBO, but you guys are specifically recommending TO take it (and therefore I’ve been taking it for the last month). Would you mind please explaining your and Chris’s differing views on it? I’m going to order Prescript Assist next since you both seem to agree on that one as helpful, but would still like to understand the differing perspectives. Thank you!

I’ve had severe food intolerances for over 20 years and about three months ago I started on the GAPS diet from the book Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Campbell-McBride. Things started to improve after the first few weeks and I was about to move onto the second stage when I suddenly had a lot of pain and bloating in my stomach and my symptoms worsened again. I did start taking sauerkraut and I felt it helped initially but I still have bad symptoms. I initially thought it was a stomach bug but it has been going on for over two months.

Anyway after seeing your website I would like to start on a probiotic and Betaine Hcl + Pepsin regime. I found the HCL your site recommended but can’t find the same probiotic that you suggest as I live in the UK. I’ve found a few probiotics but am not sure if these are ok or not as I have never taken them before. Anyway here is a list of probiotics I’ve found and I just wanted to know if any of these are suitable as one does have bifidobacteria as well as Lactobacillus acidophilus. http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1RRWZ0O33TCWH

Sorry for the long message but if you have any suggestions at all it would be greatly appreciated.

I’ve learned so much from you:-) Was curious if you could culture soil based organisms in yogurt – like Biokult or Prescript Assist – I know they do it with beans (Natto) but my kid probably wouldn’t eat Natto – or sauerkraut -actually, thinking about it, you could probably just buy some Natto at a Japanese food place and use the slime for a probiotic – probably way more potent than Biokult anyway:-)

Hey Sarah – our gut flora communicates directly to the brain so this isn’t a surprise to me. Sounds like you still have a leaky gut, likely a leaky blood brain barrier as well. I’d focus on finding out if you have any GI infections or other chronic infections in the body.